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In trying to dish Windows completely, I have used several versions of Suse in the past. Given the specific windows software I use and without suitable equal Linux software however, I am forced to keep using windows XP. Now that I'm planning to install a new harddisk with greater capacity, I'm pondering on the question to work with a Linux and a windows partition. Linux mainly for all webaccess, email, leeching, etc. and windows for my specific software programs for which there are no Linux replacements.
Since it's been a while that I have used Suse Linux and newer versions appear every six or nine months (not sure about this), I wonder if the upgrade to a newer version also means having everything installed all over. That is my main concern, because I am not willing to that. Maybe some of the experienced users here can shed some light on this?
Jan wrote: > In trying to dish Windows completely, I have used several versions of Suse > in the past. Given the specific windows software I use and without > suitable equal Linux software however, I am forced to keep using windows > XP. Now that I'm planning to install a new harddisk with greater capacity, > I'm pondering on the question to work with a Linux and a windows > partition. Linux mainly for all webaccess, email, leeching, etc. and > windows for my specific software programs for which there are no Linux > replacements.
> Since it's been a while that I have used Suse Linux and newer versions > appear every six or nine months (not sure about this), I wonder if the > upgrade to a newer version also means having everything installed > all over. That is my main concern, because I am not willing to that. > Maybe some of the experienced users here can shed some light on this?
> Thanks in advance.
> Jan
you could try vmware? to run windows apps
it could help to tell people what apps you need to run and may be they could give you an linux equivalent
Jan wrote: > In trying to dish Windows completely, I have used several versions of Suse > in the past. Given the specific windows software I use and without > suitable equal Linux software however, I am forced to keep using windows > XP. Now that I'm planning to install a new harddisk with greater capacity, > I'm pondering on the question to work with a Linux and a windows partition. > Linux mainly for all webaccess, email, leeching, etc. and windows for > my specific software programs for which there are no Linux replacements.
> Since it's been a while that I have used Suse Linux and newer versions > appear every six or nine months (not sure about this), I wonder if the > upgrade to a newer version also means having everything installed > all over. That is my main concern, because I am not willing to that. > Maybe some of the experienced users here can shed some light on this?
As darklight already mentiond, vmware or an alternative like Parallels can solve your issue of running just one application on Windows.
Now to the upgrade issue. There used to be a new version every 6 months. It has been changed to every 8 months. If you have a vanilla installation, an update to a newer version should be flawless, however nobody realy runs a vanilla version of any distro. You add your own scripts, do other things with it and so on.
So what is the best way to go around it? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. There is no real need to upgrade to each and every version. Take the latest version and then what I do is a new installation when the old version does not recieve security updates anymore.
houghi -- Remind me to write an article on the compulsive reading of news. The theme will be that most neuroses can be traced to the unhealthy habit of wallowing in the troubles of five billion strangers. -- Heinlein
Jan <re...@newsgroup.plz> wrote: >In trying to dish Windows completely, I have used several versions of Suse >in the past. Given the specific windows software I use and without >suitable equal Linux software however, I am forced to keep using windows >XP. Now that I'm planning to install a new harddisk with greater capacity, >I'm pondering on the question to work with a Linux and a windows partition. >Linux mainly for all webaccess, email, leeching, etc. and windows for >my specific software programs for which there are no Linux replacements. >Since it's been a while that I have used Suse Linux and newer versions >appear every six or nine months (not sure about this), I wonder if the >upgrade to a newer version also means having everything installed >all over. That is my main concern, because I am not willing to that. >Maybe some of the experienced users here can shed some light on this? >Thanks in advance. >Jan
I have a dual boot system at home. Install Windows FIRST, since it will mess up the dual booting if installed last.[0]
That said, for the linux partition you've got to think ahead. Here's what I do: I have /home on a separate partition. All my extra programs that do not come from Suse are installed in /usr/local, so I have *that* on a separate partition as well.
Then when a new version comes out[1] I do a full install, *except* that I do not let the install program repartition my hard drive. I keep the old partitioning and make sure that the /home partition and the /usr/local partition are NOT formatted. I let the other existing partitions be formatted.
Then I just do an install. Works well for me.
[0] I have Windows and linux on separate hard drives. They are cheap enough these days I think to make this a reasonable thing to do.
[1] You do NOT have to upgrade to each new version when it comes out unless that version fixes specific problems you may be having. You can install every other version, for example, and be perfectly happy. OpenSuse will continue to support the old version for a couple of years.
Op Sun, 27 May 2007 13:01:36 +0100 schreef darklight:
> you could try vmware? to run windows apps
> it could help to tell people what apps you need to run and may be they could > give you an linux equivalent
Here's a list of specific Windows programs I currently work with. Have to say that I have not yet investigated if suitable Linux replacements are at hand. For specific CAD programs like for instance Protell 99 SE, I wonder if a similar Linux program is available with all the functionality.
Barca version 2 (Similar to Outlook) Mail + Agenda Microcap 8 Pro (Analog/Digital simulation of electronic circuits) Protel 99 SE (Schematic & PCB software) Newsleecher (Binary download)
I'm not sure if the VMWare platform provides a basis to flawlessly run Windows progs without problems. Will have to look into that.
Op Mon, 28 May 2007 15:08:11 +0200 schreef houghi:
> As darklight already mentiond, vmware or an alternative like Parallels > can solve your issue of running just one application on Windows.
> Now to the upgrade issue. There used to be a new version every 6 months. > It has been changed to every 8 months. If you have a vanilla > installation, an update to a newer version should be flawless, however > nobody realy runs a vanilla version of any distro. You add your own > scripts, do other things with it and so on.
> So what is the best way to go around it? If it ain't broke, don't fix > it. There is no real need to upgrade to each and every version. Take the > latest version and then what I do is a new installation when the old > version does not recieve security updates anymore.
You've got a point there Houghi. And as you suggest it is wise to only upgrade if things don't work as they should. However the suggestions Paul made in his response are also worth considering.
My initial idea was to install Suse on a separate harddisk and windows on another harddisk (Windows partition) and an additional partition for backups, etc.
Y'all thanks so far for the response and assistance.
I use ubh on my own leafnode mailserver, but could point it anywhere. Shirley there must be many other programs to use.
houghi -- Remind me to write an article on the compulsive reading of news. The theme will be that most neuroses can be traced to the unhealthy habit of wallowing in the troubles of five billion strangers. -- Heinlein
Paul J Gans wrote: > OpenSuse will > continue to support the old version for a couple of years.
Two years since first publishment, but till now they have gone over that period by a few months each time.
houghi -- Remind me to write an article on the compulsive reading of news. The theme will be that most neuroses can be traced to the unhealthy habit of wallowing in the troubles of five billion strangers. -- Heinlein
Op Mon, 28 May 2007 22:00:50 +0200 schreef houghi:
> Paul J Gans wrote: >> OpenSuse will >> continue to support the old version for a couple of years.
> Two years since first publishment, but till now they have gone over that > period by a few months each time.
> houghi
Forgot to mention that Suse has always been my favourite distro. Tried several others in the past too, but also turned back to Suse. The one thing I could not get working was my HP Scanjet 5300 scanner. Wonder how it turns out with the latest version of Suse.
Jan wrote: > Well my downloads exceed 50GB per month. Gotta keep the lady happy here ;-) > Mainly movies through a payed binary server. What does ubh stand for btw?
> That said, for the linux partition you've got to think ahead. > Here's what I do: I have /home on a separate partition. All > my extra programs that do not come from Suse are installed > in /usr/local, so I have *that* on a separate partition as well.
> Then when a new version comes out[1] I do a full install, > *except* that I do not let the install program repartition > my hard drive. I keep the old partitioning and make sure > that the /home partition and the /usr/local partition are > NOT formatted. I let the other existing partitions be > formatted.
I also do like this, but with 2 root partitions, so I can boot the old version in case of some problem with the new install.
The best part with this is that the install will import the users from the old /etc/{passwd,shadow,group}. (as an option)
When doing upgrades, one should not underestimate the backup utility in YaST, it's very useful and create an xml file with your current config, + tar archives with your additional software and system files.
Op Tue, 29 May 2007 16:13:50 +0200 schreef houghi:
> Jan wrote: >> Well my downloads exceed 50GB per month. Gotta keep the lady happy here ;-) >> Mainly movies through a payed binary server. What does ubh stand for btw?
Jan wrote: > Houghi, thanks for the link but I was looking for something more graphical > instead of stepping back in time.
So you call doing things yourself instead letting the computer do it for you going forward in time? Wow.
houghi -- They say pesticides have been linked to low sperm counts. In my opinion if you have bugs down there that are so bad you need to use a pesticide, you're not gonna get laid anyway.
Op Wed, 30 May 2007 11:33:29 +0200 schreef houghi:
> Jan wrote: >> Houghi, thanks for the link but I was looking for something more graphical >> instead of stepping back in time.
> So you call doing things yourself instead letting the computer do it for > you going forward in time? Wow.
> houghi
Some software is written to just do that and use time more efficient. Don't get me wrong, I like taking control of how software performs on my computer and that is the main reason for using Linux in the near future. I think that for many windows users Windows Vista has definately set the direction of total control by others. With Linux we are able to control things ourselves, but it can also be done in an efficient way.
Jan wrote: > Op Wed, 30 May 2007 11:33:29 +0200 schreef houghi:
>> Jan wrote: >>> Houghi, thanks for the link but I was looking for something more graphical >>> instead of stepping back in time.
>> So you call doing things yourself instead letting the computer do it for >> you going forward in time? Wow.
>> houghi
> Some software is written to just do that and use time more efficient. > Don't get me wrong, I like taking control of how software performs on my > computer and that is the main reason for using Linux in the near future. > I think that for many windows users Windows Vista has definately set the > direction of total control by others. With Linux we are able to control > things ourselves, but it can also be done in an efficient way.
Yes, and sometimes that is done with GUI and sometimes with CLI.
Changing a mountpoint for a partition is faster if I do `mkdir /backup` `vi /etc/fstab` and then chage the following line in the next line /dev/hdf3 /media/backup ext3 ro,acl,user_xattr 1 2 /dev/hdf3 /backup ext3 ro,acl,user_xattr 1 2 mount /dev/hdf3 -o remount
Otherwise it is YaST, System, Partitioner, Yes, Select the partition, Edit, Change the mountpoint to /backup, OK, Apply, Quit, Close.
The same goes for ripping binaries. I configure a file one, put it in cron and done.
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